Diagnosing the Divide with Bob Shrum

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Democratic strategist Bob Shrum stops by The Braver Angels Podcast to talk polarization, campus politics and the challenges facing the Democratic field.

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This article, however, features speakers across a racial rather than a partisan divide. For this conversation, the white speaker is Cameron Swallow, a Braver Angels leader and local bluegrass musician in Wisconsin. The Black speaker is Austin Willacy, a professional songwriter, musician, and activist near Oakland, California.

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